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PostSubject: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:26 pm


Sunday night is the UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 event taking place in Natal, Rio Grande do Norte, Brazil... the main event of course is the rematch between Shogun Rua and Dan Henderson.

Things get started on Fight Pass at 4:00 pm ET, and then the action moves over to FOX Sports 1 for the remainder of the preliminary bouts, and the main card that will be starting at 7:00 pm ET.

There's been a last minute cancellation of one of the fights due to Will Chope's release from the UFC, causing his bout with Diego Brandao to be removed from the card... you can read about it in the thread posted about the breaking news by clicking the following link :

Will Chope is kicked out of the UFC, Bout With Diego Brandao is Off

There will be a couple of us hanging out and calling them as we see them during the fights, and giving our round scores as well.

UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2

March 23, 2014
Ginasio Nelio Dias
Natal, Rio Grande do Norte, Brazil

MAIN CARD (FOX Sports 1, 7 p.m. ET)

Dan Henderson vs. Mauricio Rua
C.B. Dollaway vs. Cezar Ferreira
Norman Parke vs. Leonardo Santos
Fabio Maldonado vs. Gian Villante
Michel Prazeres vs. Mairbek Taisumov
Rony Jason vs. Steven Siler

PRELIMINARY CARD (FOX Sports 1, 5 p.m. ET)

Diego Brandao vs. Will Chope - (Cancelled)
Ronny Markes vs. Thiago "Marreta" Santos
Jussier Formiga vs. Scott Jorgensen
Thiago Perpetuo vs. Kenny Robertson

PRELIMINARY CARD (UFC Fight Pass, 4 p.m. ET)

Noad Lahat vs. Godofredo Pepey
Francimar Barroso vs. Hans Stringer

Enjoy the fights my friends !

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http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/UFC-Fight-Night-39-Results-Henderson-vs-Shogun-2-PlaybyPlay-Updates-65547

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:53 pm

Francimar Barroso vs. Hans Stringer has been bumped-up to the FOX Sports 1 prelim card for today's UFC Fight Night event after the Will Chope vs. Diego Brandao bout was removed from the card... so that's only 1 fight on the Fight Pass card.

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:10 pm

I don't have Fight Pass, so I guess we'll have to have Damon fill us in on what's happening in that bout.

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:47 pm

This one is underway !

First up :

GODOFREDO CASTRO VS. NOAD LAHAT

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:48 pm

GODOFREDO CASTRO VS. NOAD LAHAT

ROUND 1
Castro lands an uppercut that backs up Lahat, who retaliates with a right hand. The Brazilian stuffs an early takedown attempt and shoves Lahat away. Castro starts swinging wild punches and falls to the mat, but he pops back to his feet before Lahat can grab hold. Lahat sends a straight right down the center, then pulls the Thai plum and hits “Pepey” with a pair of hard knees to the gut. An overhand right from Castro sends Lahat to his knees momentarily. As he stands, Castro looks to hold him against the fence, but Lahat pushes him off at the midway point of the opening round. Pepey charges forward with a double flying knee, the second of which catches Lahat on the chin and sends him slumping to the base of the fence. Referee Wernei Cardoso rushes in before Castro can add any more damage.

THE OFFICIAL RESULT :

Godofredo Castro def. Noad Lahat via KO (Flying Knee) R1 2:39

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:50 pm

The first fight of the prelims on FOX Sports 1...

FRANCIMAR BARROSO VS. HANS STRINGER

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:12 pm

Damn !

Hans Stringer has some heavy hands, and some brutal looking ground and pound !

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:15 pm

I've got round 1 :

10-9 Stringer

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:18 pm

Hans Stringer put up a pretty frantic pace in round 1... let's see if that impacts his performance in the 2nd round.

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:20 pm

Hans Stringer dictated and pretty much dominated round 1, but round 2 is favoring Barroso at this point.

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:21 pm

I've got round 2 :

10-9 Barroso

It's even going into the final round... whoever wins the 3rd wins the fight on my scorecard.

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:23 pm

Both men look to be a bit tired in the 3rd.

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:24 pm

The first 2 minutes of the 3rd favors Hans Stringer IMO.

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:27 pm

That was a good fight.

I've got round 3 :

10-9 Stringer

Making this one 29-28 Hans Stringer by my scorecard.

I don't see how Barroso could get the "hometown advantage" in the scoring by the judges... but the event is in Brazil !

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:30 pm

Wow !

A split decision win for Hans Stringer... and of course the biased crowd boos loudly.

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:35 pm

FRANCIMAR BARROSO VS. HANS STRINGER

ROUND 1
Barroso throws a kick at the body of Stringer, followed by a left hand to the gut. He catches a kick from Stringer and trips the Dutchman to the ground, then stands over him and kicks at Stringer’s legs. Referee Mario Yamasaki lets Barroso do this for a few seconds before ordering Stringer back to his feet. Stringer walks forward and drops Barroso with a right hand behind the ear, and now it’s Stringer on top in Barroso’s guard. Stringer postures up, looking to rough up the Brazilian with elbows and punches while passing to half guard on Barroso’s left side. Barroso reclaims full guard but eats a couple hard punches for his trouble. Stringer allows Barroso to stand with just under two minutes remaining, then comes back in to press Barroso against the cage and spin him down again. This time, Barroso is quick to stand and, after taking another right hand on this cheek, pushes Stringer against the fence. Stringer reverses, looking to throw knees to the body but can’t get the space. Stringer does find success with elbows in the clinch in the last minute of the round.
SHERDOG SCORES
Tristen Critchfield scores the round 10-9 Stringer
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Stringer
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Stringer

ROUND 2
Barroso gets off a hard leg kick and one to the body before Stringer closes the distance and muscles him against the fence with an underhook. Barroso reverses after a minute, doesn’t do anything with the position, and now Stringer shoves him off. Another body kick connects for Barroso, and again Stringer comes to clinch. Stringer tries to execute a lateral drop takedown and winds up on his back with Barroso in his butterfly guard. After scooting backward to the fence, Stringer works his way back to his feet. The 205ers wind up back in the clinch, where Stringer is warned by the ref to mind where his knees are landing. Barroso lands a pair of hard hands and stuffs a bad double-leg shot from Stringer, and they clinch again. This time, Yamasaki doesn’t let them stay there long before splitting them up. Stringer is swinging for the fences now, while Barroso sits back, wanting to counter. It’s Barroso who lands big with an uppercut that sends Stringer backward. Stringer charges in to stick a straight left in Barroso’s face, then dodges a high kick from the Brazilian at the horn.
SHERDOG SCORES
Tristen Critchfield scores the round 10-9 Barroso
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Barroso
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Barroso

ROUND 3
Stringer steps into the pocket and gets clipped with a counter left hook as Barroso steps out. Another left connects for Barroso, answered by a good overhand right on the end of a Stringer combo. Stringer touches Barroso’s face with a wide right before wrapping up “Bodao” on the fence. Barroso pops Stringer with a couple knees to the body, and Stringer answers with a pair of left hands up top. Referee Yamasaki breaks up the fighters with 2:45 left in the fight. Stringer takes a few seconds and then comes in to shove Barroso against the cage again. Barroso slips out and circles away, and now he’s nodding at Stringer, talking to him. Barroso finds the left hook counter again, and the light heavyweights trade leg kicks. Barroso shoots a single, gets stood up and put on the cage. They fight off the fence and Barroso gets a trip takedown with 35 seconds on the clock. Barroso goes body-head with short punches from the top, then postures up to pop Stringer with a couple left hands just as time runs out.

SHERDOG SCORES
Tristen Critchfield scores the round 10-9 Stringer (29-28 Stringer)
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Barroso (29-28 Barroso)
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-10 (29-29 Draw)

THE OFFICIAL RESULT

Hans Stringer def. Francimar Barroso via Split Decision (29-28, 29-28, 28-29) R3 5:00

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:36 pm

Up next :

KENNY ROBERTSON VS. THIAGO DE OLIVEIRA PERPETUO

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:42 pm

Kenny Robertson looked very good in this one !

Robertson wins by RNC submission in round 1

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:47 pm

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:50 pm

KENNY ROBERTSON VS. THIAGO DE OLIVEIRA PERPETUO

ROUND 1
Perpetuo catches a head kick and rushes Robertson to the ground, stacking up the American at the base of the fence. Robertson sits up and tries to jump on Perpetuo’s back; he can’t, but he’s able to get back to his feet and score a takedown of his own. Robertson moves straight to full mount, pinning down Perpetuo’s right arm in the process and dropping punches which force the Brazilian to roll over. Perpetuo is busted up, bleeding from his right eye, and the trouble gets worse as Robertson pulls him backward with a deep rear-naked choke. Perpetuo resists at first, but once Robertson adjusts and tightens the choke, he’s forced to tap out.

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Kenny Robertson def. Thiago de Oliveira Perpetuo via Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) R1 1:45

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:51 pm

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Rich, catch my pm?

No man... I didn't see the notification, but I'll check my inbox.

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:52 pm

I don't have anything in there from you bro.

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:53 pm

Up next :

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:55 pm

T Daddy3000 wrote:
Rich, catch my pm?

I just PM'd you

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PostSubject: Re: UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Live Chat and Results   Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:01 pm

OK... man, I replied to your PM

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