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PostSubject: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:28 pm


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The Tim Kennedy vs. Yoel Romero fight that took place at the UFC 178: Johnson vs. Cariaso event was a great fight... one of those exciting back-and-forth bouts that has fans of both fighters literally on the edge of their seats.

The fight was so exciting that it won "The Fight of the Night" bonus, and earned both Yoel Romero and Tim Kennedy $50,000 each for their performance.

Unfortunately this fight was marred by a pathetic and disgraceful exhibit of cheating by Romero and his corner... and there's no denying what took place at the beginning of round 3 was intentional.

This article isn't about the fight itself, it's about the blatant and intentional cheating that took place from Romero and his corner in between rounds two and three.

Without going into the full details about the fight and the action, Yoel Romero clearly won the first round and Tim Kennedy clearly won the second round... Kennedy's performance in round 2 was so strong that Yoel Romero was out-on-his-feet in the closing seconds of the round, and was literally "saved-by-the-bell."

At the beginning of the third round Yoel Romero either couldn't or wouldn't get off his stool as required by the rules of MMA... Yoel Romero was still sitting on his stool even after Big John McCarthy realized what was taking place and demanded that Romero's corner exit the Octagon and Romero get up to answer the bell. McCarthy literally had to throw the cornermen out of the Octagon, grab Romero, and yank the stool out from under him... so with that blatant display of cheating, and what Dana White called "one of the dirtiest tricks in the book," Romero and his corner bought Romero  approximately 30 additional seconds to clear the cob webs from the beating that Tim Kennedy put on him at the closing of the round.

That extra 30 seconds certainly allowed Romero to recover enough to start fighting at the 30 second mark of round 3, where he landed a solid shot to Kennedy's head roughly 15 seconds after he was good-and-ready to start fighting... and at 0:58 of Round 3, Romero won by TKO.

Had Romero answered the bell in the 3rd round on wobbly legs and a head full of cobwebs as he was required to by the rules, he would have been finished off by Kennedy in the opening seconds of round 3... but his corner knew that, hence the need to intentionally cheat and win at any cost.

I hear and see people defending this this disgraceful and obvious exhibit of cheating on social media sites, when they otherwise hound and condemn other fighters for intentional cheating... such as the intentional use of steroids.

Intentional infractions of the rules is cheating, plain and simple... there's no other way to spin it, even as much as those who are trying to rationalize away what took place last night to make it right.

Unintentional infractions of the rules during the heat of battle are not cheating, but do deserve a warning... and I mention this because some individuals are trying to claim that Kennedy cheated as well during the fight, which was likely an unintentional infraction during the heat of battle.

You know how the old argument goes... they both cheated so that cancels each wrong out, so all is good.

To be fair though, here's a GIF of the flip-side of the argument that some are using to rationalize the win for Romero, and some are stating that a win for either fighter should be overturned... which I would agree with if the outcome went the other way and we were in fact speaking about the flip-side of the argument, but that's not the case here.


Rules are rules, and to try and justify what occurred in Romero's corner is nothing but ridiculous rationalization.

Having every right to be irate about the outcome of the fight, Tim Kennedy sought-out the specifics of the rules pertaining to when a fighter either can't or won't answer the bell at the beginning of a round.

Tim posted the rule on his Twitter account at 12:43 AM :


Since we're not speaking of a hypothetical outcome here, but rather about what actually transpired... I'm of the opinion that the result of the fight should be overturned due to the intentional cheating by Romero and his corner, and Kennedy should get the win by TKO at 5:00 of round 2.

At the very least, the fight should be ruled a "No Contest" so that Romero isn't rewarded for cheating and credited an undeserved win in his win column... and an immediate rematch should be made, which should be enough to appease those on both sides of the argument.

I already know there will be no shortage of supporters for Tim Kennedy, and rightly so... I also know there will be those in support of the pathetic and disgraceful exhibit of cheating by Romero and his corner that garnered a win for Yoel Romero, and the latter my friends is the epitome of rationalizing.

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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:51 pm

The ref is supposed to do his job. The rock in question that led to the corner trick, which Dana as you stated even said it was the "dirtiest trick in the book", was brought on by cheating as well. He knew he was holding his glove with his fingers. The time of the corner shit was also prolonged from an official from the NSAC out there trying to wipe Vaseline off. Which was likely intentionally done by his corner, but could have been seen by John McCarthy and wiped off. 

Kennedy has a sore ass because his cheating was negated by cheating. Then he got KTFO. Of course he is going to cry.
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:56 pm

No matter how you rationalize it, or who you place the blame on - The fact remains that Kennedy was screwed out of a victory that was rightfully his.

I've just finished reading an article that says it's unlikely that NSAC will overturn the decision - in which case, it's a travesty. That's what athletic commissions are there for - to correct wrongs - and Kennedy was wronged.
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:06 pm

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No matter how you rationalize it, or who you place the blame on - The fact remains that Kennedy was screwed out of a victory that was rightfully his.

I've just finished reading an article that says it's unlikely that NSAC will overturn the decision - in which case, it's a travesty. That's what athletic commissions are there for - to correct wrongs - and Kennedy was wronged.

Yeah... that's the exact same way our government works.

Enforce the rules and laws that you want to, and disregard others... why even bother having rules and laws if they're not enforced ?

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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:10 pm

IRONHORSE wrote:
No matter how you rationalize it, or who you place the blame on - The fact remains that Kennedy was screwed out of a victory that was rightfully his.

I've just finished reading an article that says it's unlikely that NSAC will overturn the decision - in which case, it's a travesty. That's what athletic commissions are there for - to correct wrongs - and Kennedy was wronged.
Kennedy only rocked Yoel because he was holding his glove to land those two uppercuts. Kennedy did wrong as well. Kennedy got the karmic backlash for his cheating ways.

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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:13 pm

DGfishingtime wrote:
Kennedy only rocked Yoel because he was holding his glove to land those two uppercuts. Kennedy did wrong as well. Kennedy got the karmic backlash for his cheating ways.

Dude... you are seriously rationalizing your ass off. Hysterical
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:16 pm

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DGfishingtime wrote:
Kennedy only rocked Yoel because he was holding his glove to land those two uppercuts. Kennedy did wrong as well. Kennedy got the karmic backlash for his cheating ways.

Dude... you are seriously rationalizing your ass off. Hysterical
So you are denying he cheated himself when you can see the proof for yourself?
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:17 pm

Kennedy is a boring ass fighter anyways.
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:22 pm

IRONHORSE wrote:
DGfishingtime wrote:
Kennedy only rocked Yoel because he was holding his glove to land those two uppercuts. Kennedy did wrong as well. Kennedy got the karmic backlash for his cheating ways.

Dude... you are seriously rationalizing your ass off. Hysterical

Rationalizing is what always happens in instances like these... that's why I reinforced that point several times in the article, in hopes that people would understand the point of the article and not rationalize.

The whole point of the article is that Romero and his corner blatantly cheated, and the fight should have ended at the beginning of round 3 because Romero didn't answer the bell for whatever reason.

Anything outside of that is simply making excuses to right a wrong.

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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:24 pm

His corner cheated. They put too much Vaseline on, and the NSAC was out there trying to get it off. Yoel just sat on the stool the whole time the confusion was going on. Bottom line, both cheated. Oh well.
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:49 pm

levenemachine wanted to join us on the show, but he's in the UK and we got started a bit too late for him.

He put together his comments and tweeted them to me, so here they are :


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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:14 pm

A lot of fighters took to twitter to day what they thought on this matter.And a large majority of them are saying it was bullshit and the fight should have been stopped.
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:15 pm

Tyron woodley said it was typical Cuban behavior.lmao
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:18 pm

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A lot of fighters took to twitter to day what they thought on this matter.And a large majority of them are saying it was bullshit and the fight should have been stopped.

Exactly... that was one of the points I was trying to make in the article, and on the show today as well.

Rules are rules and they're meant to be followed, what's the point in having rules if they aren't enforced.

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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:22 pm

What did they say about Kennedy's cheating?
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:29 pm

This is a good article on it with Dana's quotes, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:36 am

Dana said the crazy part is that it was the UFC's guy that put the vasoline on not Yoel's corner.And Romero's corner couldn't understand what they where saying when they was telling them to whip it off.
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:39 am

Tree22 wrote:
Dana said the crazy part is that it was the UFC's guy that put the vasoline on not Yoel's corner.And Romero's corner couldn't understand what they where saying when they was telling them to whip it off.
Yeah, it sounds like there is a lot of blame to go around and it wasn't necessarily Yoel's fault. I don't see this getting overturned.
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:56 am

Who are these UFC guys ?

...and WTF are they doing in a fighter's corner tending to a fighter when a fighter has cornermen ?

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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:30 am

Rich Davie wrote:
Who are these UFC guys ?

...and WTF are they doing in a fighter's corner tending to a fighter when a fighter has cornermen ?
Yeah, it seems as if the whole jumble fuck wasn't just on Yoel's corner. Stitch does the Vaseline usually, so if it was him the Vaseline was on him. The lack of communication ability could have messed with his corner when the NAC was out there trying to get the Vaseline off. It is starting to sound more like there is no chance in hell of it getting overturned.
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:01 pm

So it sounds to me that this Vaseline thing is a product of the incident with GSP, where he was accused of "greasing-up" in between rounds.

From what this sounds like, is that the UFC doesn't allow cornermen to actually tend to their fighters nor bring substances other than water and ice-bags into the Octagon between rounds, and instead has "UFC guys" tending to and applying Vaseline to cuts in between rounds ?

If that's the case, that's fucked-up... that massive gob of Vaseline on Romero's eye was clearly in excess, and anybody acting as a cut-man would know that.

Shit still sounds suspect to me... no matter who was at fault here, this was a massive clusterfuck that needs to be reviewed by the commission and not swept under the rug so we've never see this sort "thing" take place in the Octagon again.

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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:56 pm

Stitch is the cut man though lol. Yoel just took advantage of the situation. He probably heard shit from all kinds of people and was just like "Fuck it, I'll sit till they figure this shit out."
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:12 pm

So you're saying that the UFC provides the cut-man for each fighter's corner, and that the corners don't bring their own man in for that... right ?

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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:19 pm

Rich Davie wrote:
So you're saying that the UFC provides the cut-man for each fighter's corner, and that the corners don't bring their own man in for that... right ?
Dana said it was their guy that put the Vaseline on. So I have to go by that. I think they have cut men, but I always see Stitch in there as well.
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PostSubject: Re: A Disgraceful Exhibit of Cheating by Romero and his Corner   Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:58 am

You know, in reading through this thread, I've heard the point time and again - "well, his corner didn't speak English, so there was the language barrier."
That, in my mind - is just idiocy, and unacceptable. If an American fighter were going to compete in Japan, and knew the fight would be officiated in that language - don't you think he'd make damn sure he had someone in his corner that spoke Japanese??

And of course the "Kennedy cheated, too!" OK - I went and looked it up - under NSAC rules, holding the gloves is punishable by anything up to a point deduction, at the discretion of the referee.
So, I'd accept a point deducted from Kennedy in round 2, in return for the verdict being changed to a TKO win for Kennedy.
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